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The greatest superhero team in Gotham City history is gone...this time, for good. How will the Dark Knight pick up the pieces knowing that his squad of vigilantes is gone? Find out in BATMAN: DETECTIVE COMICS VOL. 8! In the aftermath of the last stand of the Gotham Knights, Batman, Batwoman, Red Robin, Orphan, Azrael, Batwing and company took down a monster they help The greatest superhero team in Gotham City history is gone...this time, for good. How will the Dark Knight pick up the pieces knowing that his squad of vigilantes is gone? Find out in BATMAN: DETECTIVE COMICS VOL. 8! In the aftermath of the last stand of the Gotham Knights, Batman, Batwoman, Red Robin, Orphan, Azrael, Batwing and company took down a monster they helped create. How will they deal with the physical and psychological ramifications of this epic battle? And who will hang up their capes? Duke Thomas. Cassandra Cain. They and other young heroes don't intend to stand down, no matter what Batman thinks is best. Who can Batman trust to guide them? They need a teacher...and Black Lightning fits the bill! The epilogue chapter to writer James Tynion IV's acclaimed run on the series is here in BATMAN: DETECTIVE COMICS VOL. 8! Collects issues #982-986.


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The greatest superhero team in Gotham City history is gone...this time, for good. How will the Dark Knight pick up the pieces knowing that his squad of vigilantes is gone? Find out in BATMAN: DETECTIVE COMICS VOL. 8! In the aftermath of the last stand of the Gotham Knights, Batman, Batwoman, Red Robin, Orphan, Azrael, Batwing and company took down a monster they help The greatest superhero team in Gotham City history is gone...this time, for good. How will the Dark Knight pick up the pieces knowing that his squad of vigilantes is gone? Find out in BATMAN: DETECTIVE COMICS VOL. 8! In the aftermath of the last stand of the Gotham Knights, Batman, Batwoman, Red Robin, Orphan, Azrael, Batwing and company took down a monster they helped create. How will they deal with the physical and psychological ramifications of this epic battle? And who will hang up their capes? Duke Thomas. Cassandra Cain. They and other young heroes don't intend to stand down, no matter what Batman thinks is best. Who can Batman trust to guide them? They need a teacher...and Black Lightning fits the bill! The epilogue chapter to writer James Tynion IV's acclaimed run on the series is here in BATMAN: DETECTIVE COMICS VOL. 8! Collects issues #982-986.

30 review for Batman: Detective Comics, Volume 8: On the Outside

  1. 4 out of 5

    Chad

    A new villain, Karma, comes to town to take out Batman's sidekicks because they make him weak. Karma's motivations and the character itself is pretty weak and uninteresting. Much more interesting are the new team dynamics. The Gotham Knights have broken up at the end of James Tynion's run. Batman recruits Black Lightning and Katana to train up Orphan, Signal, and Batgirl. Hill's approach to Black Lightning is pretty interesting as a teacher and mentor to the team. This is clearly leading to a ne A new villain, Karma, comes to town to take out Batman's sidekicks because they make him weak. Karma's motivations and the character itself is pretty weak and uninteresting. Much more interesting are the new team dynamics. The Gotham Knights have broken up at the end of James Tynion's run. Batman recruits Black Lightning and Katana to train up Orphan, Signal, and Batgirl. Hill's approach to Black Lightning is pretty interesting as a teacher and mentor to the team. This is clearly leading to a new Outsiders series. Hopefully, a few more of the original Outsiders will return. It's always been one of my favorite team books. The art by Miguel Mendonca and Phillip Briones maintains the Detective "house" style set by Eddy Barrows. Also, included is a Deacon Blackfire one issue story by Michael Moreci that is just a quick rehash of Batman: The Cult. Just go read that instead. It's much more interesting than this dud.

  2. 5 out of 5

    Chelsea 🏳️‍🌈

    This seemingly ends during the arc, which is a little strange. This had a rough start. That first two part arc did nothing for me. Honestly, I'm not sure why Tynion's name is on this at all. The last arc by Bryan Edward Hill was just wonderful! I follow him on Twitter and he just really seems to get what these characters are. Especially how they compelte Bruce. There are some people that think Batman's family makes him weaker and I'm not sure if Hill was speaking to them or he just happened to m This seemingly ends during the arc, which is a little strange. This had a rough start. That first two part arc did nothing for me. Honestly, I'm not sure why Tynion's name is on this at all. The last arc by Bryan Edward Hill was just wonderful! I follow him on Twitter and he just really seems to get what these characters are. Especially how they compelte Bruce. There are some people that think Batman's family makes him weaker and I'm not sure if Hill was speaking to them or he just happened to make an arc about this concept but I really enjoyed it. While, it highlighted just how much I hate Cass' current name (Orphan is just awful), I liked that it showed how much Bruce values his team. I liked that he called on Jefferson for help. I was surprisngly very intrigued by Jefferson's methods and his chemistry with Bruce. I look forward to seeing how that progresses in the future. I love Duke and Cass and it was interesting seeing them deal with taking orders from someone who wasn't Bruce. I also liked that Hill showed Jefferson learning more about Bruce through Alfred's lens. So, this was a little uneven but Hill's writing was so strong that I came out enjoying it a lot more than I expected.

  3. 5 out of 5

    Wing Kee

    2.5. The dialog was painful. World: The art is alright, it’s keep the current quality level in this series. The world building here since Tynion left is an interesting choice. I loved the Outsiders in the 2000s and they were a fun group to read doing special ops for Batman and bringing this idea back is kinda cool. I am also iffy about it cause there are already so many team running around the DCU that one more team is gonna be overkill. That being said using the Detective Comics char 2.5. The dialog was painful. World: The art is alright, it’s keep the current quality level in this series. The world building here since Tynion left is an interesting choice. I loved the Outsiders in the 2000s and they were a fun group to read doing special ops for Batman and bringing this idea back is kinda cool. I am also iffy about it cause there are already so many team running around the DCU that one more team is gonna be overkill. That being said using the Detective Comics characters and adding Black Lightning is a fun little look and a nice little pieces of world building. Story: First I wanna say that the dialog for this arc (mainly the Hill issues) is so over the top that it made me giggle in not a good way. It’s like a Batman fanboy put on a Batman mask and made Batman noises while looking at a bathroom mirror and then wrote them down in this book, it’s over the top, it’s trying to hard to be edgy that it’s hilarious. Then we have the story which is ho hum same old same old with a done that villain who wants to come back and teach Batman a lesson. It’s a pointless and boring villain that is more powerful than is logical and adding a backstory to him didn’t really make him that much memorable. I’ve already forgotten the story. The only little through tread in the grand scheme of things is Markovia which I hope will end up being better than this boring story. It’s not written poorly, it’s just inconsequential and boring. Characters: Batman sounds like a fanboy and his voice is just off but it is somewhat hilarious. The rest of the Bat kids are fine and they are what they are but leaving out some of the Detective Comics characters is questionable (where are they?). Then there’s the villain which has a backstory but it’s boring and pointless and this type of villain has been done so many times. His motivations is vague and doesn’t really make sense if you think about it. It was aight but it was nothing new at all. Onward to the next book! *read individual issues*

  4. 5 out of 5

    James DeSantis

    James Tynion has left Detective comics. Before Peter (The writer of Batman and Robin New52 and Rebirth superman) takes over they decided to give a arc to Bryan Hill, the main man behind the later volumes of Postal (I love this that series). So does Bryan bring something fresh to Detective comics? Well... The story is about a new villain around town. His name is Karma, and well...he's not happy with Batman. He blames him for some horrible events that have happened to him. He declares t James Tynion has left Detective comics. Before Peter (The writer of Batman and Robin New52 and Rebirth superman) takes over they decided to give a arc to Bryan Hill, the main man behind the later volumes of Postal (I love this that series). So does Bryan bring something fresh to Detective comics? Well... The story is about a new villain around town. His name is Karma, and well...he's not happy with Batman. He blames him for some horrible events that have happened to him. He declares that Batman's family have spoiled him. Have made him weak. He demands the death or retirement of Orphan, Signal, and whoever else was sticking with Bruce after the breakup of the Batmen. Will Karma succeed or will this be the end for the Batfamily? Good: I think the art is pretty solid, though some action scenes seem a bit odd. Like almost goofy and don't think on purpose but for most part looks solid. I liked Black Lightning here a lot and he comes across as a solid leader for the Outsiders (The new group formed here). I thought everyone had a moment to shine, especially Orphan, and it was overall a fast placed plot. Bad: Batman came across as just okay here. Kind of boring to be honest, which I think has always been the problem in this detective line. The side cast is good-great, and Batman is just okay. Neither James or Bryan write a Batman I like. Also, Karma's "defeat" is too quick and he came across as meh in the end. Overall, solid fun volume of detective comics. IN line with the good volumes in this entire run. While I don't think it was good as some of the high points of James's run it still stands tall against the good volumes. A 3 out of 5.

  5. 5 out of 5

    Lashaan Balasingam (Bookidote)

    You can find my review on my blog by clicking here. There are many ways to achieve your goals. You can either do it alone or with others, and this has often been one of the biggest question marks with Batman. To rid crime from Gotham city, he could singlehandedly take on the burden and take down every criminal that pops up on his radar on a daily basis, while sacrificing his own happiness, body, and mind. Or, he could accept the help of other like-minded individuals who want to make a difference, while uti You can find my review on my blog by clicking here. There are many ways to achieve your goals. You can either do it alone or with others, and this has often been one of the biggest question marks with Batman. To rid crime from Gotham city, he could singlehandedly take on the burden and take down every criminal that pops up on his radar on a daily basis, while sacrificing his own happiness, body, and mind. Or, he could accept the help of other like-minded individuals who want to make a difference, while utilizing their own resources and set of skills. Throughout the Rebirth Detective Comics series, fans have seen what it’s like for these members of the Bat Family to work together and help a city stand on two feet. Following the events in Batmen Eternal, the squad of vigilantes who stood by Batman left to pursue new goals. Batman will now have to find new Gotham Knights to help in his endeavour or reconcile with the idea that he might be better off alone. What is Batman: Detective Comics: On the Outside about? Collecting Detective Comics #982-987, this story arc serves as a launchpad for the series, following James Tynion IV’s run which came to an end in Batmen Eternal. The volume kicks off with a stand-alone story written by Michael Moreci and featuring Deacon Blackfire, a villain who feeds off the belief of individuals in the absence of hope, to hence exponentially increase his spiritual powers, who wishes to expose Batman as a False God of Gotham. Writer Bryan Hill then takes over for a five-part story arc where he introduces a brand-new villain by the name of Karma who believes that Batman has lost his purpose and become weaker with the number of allies he has recruited to his Bat Family. Intending to both convince Batman of this lack of performance and to kill all of these younglings off, Karma conjures a plan that forces Batman to either give up or team-up. Following up what James Tynion IV had thought up for this series is no easy feat. The most logical and safe route to take is to start with a new slate and that’s what Bryan Hill offers fans in On the Outside. The configuration of this story is a simple and linear structure where a new threat enters the picture and a new team is needed to take it down. Although nothing more than an enjoyable plot, this story arc didn’t dive too quickly into an overarching scenario that gives us an idea of what to expect from this run but allowed to tease the new heroes and villains who will henceforth be recurring characters. Among the new additions are Duke Thomas, known as The Signal, and Black Lightning, who plays the new mentor for this squad, while Cassandra Cain (Orphan) and Barbara Gordon (Batgirl) make a return. The characters and their banter weren’t particularly impressive since the writing almost felt exploratory as if trying to figure out how to build chemistry between them and make each of them somehow memorable. While it isn’t necessarily a problem, this story arc felt like another episode in Batman’s life where he works in tandem with the members of his Bat Family to take down an unknown threat. The mystery behind the identity of this villain didn’t necessitate much detective work except a cheesy little memory jog that quickly reminds you that the story wasn’t searching for any form of complexity. It’s even worth mentioning that the story once again brought back the issues revolving around Batman’s odd interest to have under-aged heroes under his wings but doesn’t bring anything new to the table regarding this subject. The stand-alone story drawn by Sebastian Fiumara and coloured by Dave Stewart was quite the change of style from the usual artwork featured in this series. It certainly fits with the story’s illusion-filled narrative but still had a couple of niggling sequences that made for awkward moments. The artwork for the On the Outside story arc also went in a completely different direction, giving us a much more modern and essentially digital style where colours are extremely vibrant, and high-contrasting panels are omnipresent, especially with the help of inkers and the heavy black contouring of figures. Batman: Detective Comics: On the Outside is an introductory and casually entertaining chapter to the next line-up of heroes to defend Gotham from the menaces that its guardians create. Yours truly, Lashaan | Blogger and Book Reviewer Official blog: https://bookidote.com/

  6. 5 out of 5

    Kat

    Basic plot: A new villain called Karma hits Gotham and wants to break up what is left of the bat family for good. Bats calls in Black Lightning to help. I like Black Lightning and how he was dealt with in the volume. He is an outsider, a teacher, and very not Batman. The various character reactions were believable. The art was ok, but Orphan was really white washed and was drawn to look way older than she is supposed to be. The plot itself didn't really grab me, so this volume is not Basic plot: A new villain called Karma hits Gotham and wants to break up what is left of the bat family for good. Bats calls in Black Lightning to help. I like Black Lightning and how he was dealt with in the volume. He is an outsider, a teacher, and very not Batman. The various character reactions were believable. The art was ok, but Orphan was really white washed and was drawn to look way older than she is supposed to be. The plot itself didn't really grab me, so this volume is not the best I have read, and it seems to be rehashing old ground.

  7. 5 out of 5

    Chris Lemmerman

    [Read as single issues] The ghost of Deacon Blackfire haunts the Caped Crusader, and only a trip into Gotham’s sewers is in order to stop him. Then, a bad judgment call from Batman’s past returns and targets anyone who has ever worked with the Bat. With his young sidekicks in danger, Batman calls in Black Lightning and Katana for assistance – but Orphan, the Signal, and Batgirl aren’t about to just sit on the sidelines when Karma comes calling. We open this first post-Tynion volume of [Read as single issues] The ghost of Deacon Blackfire haunts the Caped Crusader, and only a trip into Gotham’s sewers is in order to stop him. Then, a bad judgment call from Batman’s past returns and targets anyone who has ever worked with the Bat. With his young sidekicks in danger, Batman calls in Black Lightning and Katana for assistance – but Orphan, the Signal, and Batgirl aren’t about to just sit on the sidelines when Karma comes calling. We open this first post-Tynion volume of Detective Comics with a one-shot fill-in issue by Michael Moreci, who seems to be cutting his teeth across the DC Universe with fill-in stints on Superman, Nightwing, and Titans. This issue’s pretty well done, and throws Batman at a supernatural threat which isn’t something he often deals with (or at least not alone, anyway). The moody art from Sebastian Fiumara and the detective elements of the story shine, which makes this a welcome diversion rather than an unwanted detour. The meat of the volume however is On The Outside, a five part story that basically works as a launchpad for a new Batman & The Outsiders series, which isn’t to say it isn’t good in its own right. The idea of one of Batman’s mistakes coming back to haunt him isn’t new, but writer Bryan Hill executes it in a different way than usual, with Bruce’s protective side flaring up as anger as he realises that he’s putting the people that trust him at risk. Karma’s origin is pretty dark actually, but it’s well done, and the use of Black Lightning comes across organically rather than just to cash in on his TV appearance and the fact that he’s a previous Outsiders character. In fact, Hill does a lot of groundwork very quickly to set up this team, especially in the wake of the last Detective Comics team falling apart, so it should mean his new series can hit the ground running. The art for On The Outside is split between Miguel Mendonca and Phillip Briones, both artists who have made the rounds at DC but haven’t really managed to find a consistent gig. Both of them are respectable artists who always turn out some great work, and this is no different – they fit into the strong figures and powerful action sequences that Alvaro Martinez and Eddy Barrows defined Detective Comics on previously, so the tone of the book has remained the same artistically. On The Outside could have easily been a set-up story that was just being used to set-up something else, but instead it’s its own beast that has a clear beginning, middle, and end while giving us a lot to springboard off of in the future. The character choices work well, the art is great throughout, and even the one-shot at the beginning of the volume is impressive; I thought Detective Comics might flounder after Tynion IV’s departure, but instead it’s just as strong as ever.

  8. 4 out of 5

    Alí Flores

    This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. **Warning: this text may contain spoilers** really loved this arc, is full of action and a pretty cool art. On the Outside: A new villain appears in Gotham, trying to take revenge for the things Batman did to him. Bruce knows he met this guy called (Karma) a few years ago, and he'll need help from The Signal, Cassandra and Black Lighting, at the end of the arc, Bruce will help Pierce with his school as a sign of gratitude, he will also be the head of The Outsiders.

  9. 4 out of 5

    Scott Lee

    A solid if unspectacular beginning. The creative team puts together a solid story about a new Batman villain, Karma. Karma's purpose is to "restore" Batman to his true potential by eliminating the batfamily which "weakens" him. It's told well enough, and we actually see Bruce's real weaknesses come into play, which is a nice touch. The win is believable in the end, which is a nice touch as well. The last issue is a single issue Deacon Blackfyre story. I've heard of Blackfyre before but never encount A solid if unspectacular beginning. The creative team puts together a solid story about a new Batman villain, Karma. Karma's purpose is to "restore" Batman to his true potential by eliminating the batfamily which "weakens" him. It's told well enough, and we actually see Bruce's real weaknesses come into play, which is a nice touch. The win is believable in the end, which is a nice touch as well. The last issue is a single issue Deacon Blackfyre story. I've heard of Blackfyre before but never encountered him in a story I've actually read, but the story was clear enough and gave me what I needed. The guest artists were bit more expressionistic than the main arc in the earlier issues which worked well for the near supernatural--and very internal--nature of the story. Much like the main arc this was a solid, if unspectacular, reflective issue that puts inside Batman's head a bit. Interesting use of the ideas of light and shadow in this one, reversed from what we normally see with Bruce.

  10. 4 out of 5

    Dr Rashmit Mishra

    [Read as Single Issues] Well , it was okay I guess . Bryan Hill takes over the detective comics duties from James Tynion IV , after what was a successful run , Hill maintains the status quo from the Tynion run and proceeds to bring in a new villain - Karma, with artificial metahuman abilities such as mind reading and increase physical strength and agility . The initial issues deal with Batman figuring out who Karma actually is and what his motivations are , while the latter [Read as Single Issues] Well , it was okay I guess . Bryan Hill takes over the detective comics duties from James Tynion IV , after what was a successful run , Hill maintains the status quo from the Tynion run and proceeds to bring in a new villain - Karma, with artificial metahuman abilities such as mind reading and increase physical strength and agility . The initial issues deal with Batman figuring out who Karma actually is and what his motivations are , while the latter issues see him dealing with Karma and forming a new team - The outsiders . Overall , I though for a Batman book , Batman does appear too weak and irrelevant for my liking , the interactions between Black Lightning and characters like Barbara or Bruce felt weird as hell but the art was stunning , the plot was quick paced . Overall , an average outcome .

  11. 4 out of 5

    Roy

    Ups and downs all the way throughout. Sometimes Hills writing is great sometimes its poor. Glad it was a one off

  12. 5 out of 5

    John H

    This is a bit of a reset for the Bat team, and I thought it was pretty solid.

  13. 4 out of 5

    Kevin

    tl;dr: A paper thin, absurd, and wildly contradictory filler arc to introduce The Outsiders. Easy skip unless you're interested in the new Batman and the Outsiders series. There's a great one-off issue in the back for a spooky, 90's-ish Decon Blackfire story. This one is clearly a filler arc, and while there's nothing inherently wrong with filler arcs in general, even as far as filler arcs go this one is incredibly weak. As evidenced by the title, it's primary purpose is to tl;dr: A paper thin, absurd, and wildly contradictory filler arc to introduce The Outsiders. Easy skip unless you're interested in the new Batman and the Outsiders series. There's a great one-off issue in the back for a spooky, 90's-ish Decon Blackfire story. This one is clearly a filler arc, and while there's nothing inherently wrong with filler arcs in general, even as far as filler arcs go this one is incredibly weak. As evidenced by the title, it's primary purpose is to revive Batman's 'Outsiders' team to kick off the new 'Batman and the Outsiders' series, but the book itself does an incredibly poor job giving us any reason why he's doing it. He gives the generic 'threats that have to be handled outside official channels' line, but doesn't really even give any build up to what those might be other than a generic international black market for powerful weapons, which seems pretty passe at this point. And there's a particular sense of whiplash and double think that comes with this team building exercise. Fresh off Tynion's great run on Detective Comics, Batman has decided to shut down the highly effective Batfamily team that had formed, only to decide that... he really needs a team he can rely on? And one that happens to pull from that highly effective team that he already trusted but disbanded? That after learning teamwork and other skills from a mentor like Batwoman, what these people really need is... a mentor and team leader, like Black Lightning? (Not ragging on Black Lightning, who is a highlight of the book; just the circuitous reasoning behind it all) This confusion is further compounded by the fact that the book clearly has no idea how to write a story around any of this, introducing a paper thin villain by the name of Karma whose history is created through a really dubious and absurd flashback scene (view spoiler)[in which Batman apparently sadistically doused the guy in Scarecrow fear toxin before letting an army of bats feast on his face (seriously, what the fuck?) (hide spoiler)] , and whose credentials have all the subtlety of a Dragonball villain who defeats all the strongest people in the universe 5 minutes after being introduced just to show how powerful they are. Rather than seeming dangerous, they just come across as arbitrary, and this villain has that kind of setup without even seeming all that powerful to begin with, just further undermining the entire premise of him as a threat. And so Batman's response to this underwhelming threat, in this book about him already realizing he needs a team, is the classic "I have to do this alone, it's too dangerous." It's ridiculous. The villain never feels like nearly that much of a threat to warrant such an overreaction, and especially not a reaction so contrary to the entire point of the book, and particularly not after he already got over this type of hangup (not for the first time) so recently, in the same book, in the very preceding run. Phew. Ok. Rant over. I don't think anyone really needs to read this unless they're interested in jumping into the Batman and the Outsiders run that's just started, but for those that do, there's a pretty great battle in a church that you'll have to look forward to, and there's a random extra issue at the end with a spooky Demon Blackfire story that's actually really great. Fantastic art in that last issue, and a writing style that felt a lot more like the more noirish self-narration you saw in the 80's and 90's.

  14. 5 out of 5

    Zohar - ManOfLaBook.com

    For more reviews and bookish posts please visit: http://www.ManOfLaBook.com Batman: Detective Comics, Vol. 8: On the Outside by Bryan Hill & Michael Moreci (illustrated by Miguel Mendonca, Phillip Briones, and Sebastian Fiumara) is a graphic novel which continues the story of the aftermath of the events which led to the Gotham Knights team take down the monster they helped create. This graphic novel collects issues #982-986. Batman (Bruce Wayne), Batwoman (Kate Kane), Red Robin (Tim Drake), Orphan For more reviews and bookish posts please visit: http://www.ManOfLaBook.com Batman: Detective Comics, Vol. 8: On the Outside by Bryan Hill & Michael Moreci (illustrated by Miguel Mendonca, Phillip Briones, and Sebastian Fiumara) is a graphic novel which continues the story of the aftermath of the events which led to the Gotham Knights team take down the monster they helped create. This graphic novel collects issues #982-986. Batman (Bruce Wayne), Batwoman (Kate Kane), Red Robin (Tim Drake), Orphan (Cassandra Cain), Azrael (Jean-Paul Valley), Batwing (Lucas Fox), as well as a few other heroes known as the Gotham Knights took down a monster which, ironically enough, they helped created. Their battle isn’t over, however, as our battle scarred heroes are trying to physically and emotionally recover from their ordeal. The young heroes of Gotham, do not intend to simply stand down, while resenting that Batman assigned Black Lightning (Jefferson Pierce) as their new guide. Also introduced is a new villain, Karma (Wayne Hawkins), who can read minds and be a step ahead of everyone. The ideas which drive Batman: Detective Comics, Vol. 8: On the Outside by Bryan Hill & Michael Moreci (illustrated by Miguel Mendonca, Phil Briones, and Sebastian Fiumara) aren’t new, Batman’s past actions come back to haunt him. However the writers do execute them in a different way, making Bruce very protective as he realizes that he is doing no favors to the people who trust him. The new villain, Karma, is very interesting with dark origins, a well done villain and a very good opponent for the Gotham Knights. The interaction of Black Lightning with the team really speeds up the story. I’m sure there are some tie-ins to the Black Lightning TV show, I don’t watch the show and I didn’t feel I lost anything of the story because of it. The art is very good, powerful and dynamic, the action sequences are strong especially the ones featuring Batman or Orphan. The tone of the book is very similar to the previous ones, which really helps follow it. I do like different renditions in comics, but I do not like styles change abruptly mid-story, or sometimes even mid-issue. I really enjoyed this book, as it is a complete story with plenty of material to be used later on. I’m looking forward to the new run of this character and his team.

  15. 5 out of 5

    Ben Truong

    Detective Comics: On the Outside picks up where the previous volume left off and collecting the next six issues (Detective Comics #982–987) of the 2016 on-going series and covers two stories: "The Cursing of Gotham City!" and "On the Outside". "On the Outside" is a five-issue storyline (Detective Comics #983–987) has Bruce Wayne as Batman making a new team called the Outsiders. Leading the team would be Jefferson Pierce as Black Lightning and Tatsu Toro as Katna with Cassandra Cain as Orphan and Duke Thomas as the Signal. Together, Batman and the Outsiders ta(Detective/>"On(Detective Detective Comics: On the Outside picks up where the previous volume left off and collecting the next six issues (Detective Comics #982–987) of the 2016 on-going series and covers two stories: "The Cursing of Gotham City!" and "On the Outside". "On the Outside" is a five-issue storyline (Detective Comics #983–987) has Bruce Wayne as Batman making a new team called the Outsiders. Leading the team would be Jefferson Pierce as Black Lightning and Tatsu Toro as Katna with Cassandra Cain as Orphan and Duke Thomas as the Signal. Together, Batman and the Outsiders take on Fleet Delmar as Karma, who is a villain that believes that Batman's protégés weaken them. "The Cursing of Gotham City!" is a one-issue storyline (Detective Comics #982) that has Bruce Wayne as Batman trying to solve a case of child abductions by a strange, militant, and religious sect that has affect Gotham's homeless. His investigation leads him to Joseph Blackfire as Deacon Blackfire in the subterraneous tunnels of the city. With the exception of one issue (Detective Comics #982) which Michael Moreci wrote, Bryan Edward Hill penned the entire trade paperback. For the most part, it is written rather well, despite the fact that the titular story felt like a backdoor pilot for the Batman and the Outsiders on-going series, it introduces the characters and the composition of the team rather well. The team itself is an interesting choice as it composes entirely of minority characters. With the exception of one issue (Detective Comics #982) which Sebastian Fiumara penciled, Miguel Mendonça penciled the entire trade paperback. Since he was the main penciler, the artistic flow of the trade paperback flowed exceptionally well. For the most part, I enjoyed his penciling style it gives a wonderful steady feel for the trade paperback. All in all, Detective Comics: On the Outside is a good continuation to what would hopefully be a wonderful series.

  16. 4 out of 5

    Robert Bussie

    This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. I have several issues with this uneven and really not enjoyable story. What happended to Batwing, Red Robin, Robin, and Nightwing from the last volume. I understand that this is a new story arc with a new writer, but the only time events from the last series is mentioned is on the back cover. A few recap and transition pages would have been helpful and necessary. The new villian Karma is not interesting at all. His orgin story is even worse. Batman uses a thinned out versio I have several issues with this uneven and really not enjoyable story. What happended to Batwing, Red Robin, Robin, and Nightwing from the last volume. I understand that this is a new story arc with a new writer, but the only time events from the last series is mentioned is on the back cover. A few recap and transition pages would have been helpful and necessary. The new villian Karma is not interesting at all. His orgin story is even worse. Batman uses a thinned out version of Scarcrow's fear toxin to punish this man by making him insane. Batman tells him that he will not go insane, but oops he does. Then Batman uses bat sonar to gather bats to scare Karma, however, the bats peak out Karma's eyes. Seriously? Batman uses extreme torture? Batman is known for scaring people, not torturing them, especially when it is not necessary. This goes against lines that Batman has set and will not cross. Batman brings in Black Lighting to help reach Batgirl, Orphan, and the Signal, becasue of the events from the previous story arc? With all the connections that Batman/Bruce Wayne has Black Lighting seems like such a random choice. Also, the Signal was not even in the last story arc, so how and why is he here in this book? Another randon character choice. The art work overall is pretty good. The last chapter seems like a single issue tacked on story with moody art work that works well with the story. This book is a big disappointment and should not be part of the Batman continuum. Let's call this an else worlds story without the else worlds heading.

  17. 4 out of 5

    M

    Bryan Hill and a trio of artists tackle the next phase of Detective Comics with the return of the Outsiders. Gotham City finds its protectors under siege, assaulted by a masked man who believes that allies of the Batman are hindrances. After nearly killing the Signal and delivering a beat down to Orphan, this Karma forces the Dark Knight to expand his recruiting circle. With Black Lightning as team leader and Katana as muscle, the newest incarnation of the Outsiders arrives to the pages of DC Co Bryan Hill and a trio of artists tackle the next phase of Detective Comics with the return of the Outsiders. Gotham City finds its protectors under siege, assaulted by a masked man who believes that allies of the Batman are hindrances. After nearly killing the Signal and delivering a beat down to Orphan, this Karma forces the Dark Knight to expand his recruiting circle. With Black Lightning as team leader and Katana as muscle, the newest incarnation of the Outsiders arrives to the pages of DC Comics. The volume finishes off with a more metaphysical story involving the specter of Deacon Blackfire and his attempts to return to the land of the living. Bryan Hill seems to have been tapped to provide a fill-in arc for the sole purpose of reviving a classic team in the Rebirth era. While his Alfred is well-written as a faithful guide for all who enter Wayne Manor, the rest of the cast feels like a one-note pastiche of their full potential. Even the villain, Karma, is little more than a handy plot device to bring the Outsiders back. The artistic styles for the arc are energetic, clean, and clear, offering good looks at all parties and costumes involved; the single issue coda is a jumbled mess in every fashion. Detective Comics: On the Outside hovers on the edge of being a good book, but uultimately fades into the background instead.

  18. 5 out of 5

    Norman Cook

    Collects Detective Comics #982-987. Issue #982 is a stand-alone story by Michael Moreci (writer) and Sebastian Fiumara (artist) entitled "The Cursing of Gotham City!". This is a nice prelude to the 5-issue arc in issues #983-987. Batman fights an old nemesis, Deacon Blackfire, for the life of a young boy. The only way Batman can defeat Blackfire is to gather allies from the ranks of Blackfire's acolytes. In doing so, Batman once again realizes that he is stronger with help than by him Collects Detective Comics #982-987. Issue #982 is a stand-alone story by Michael Moreci (writer) and Sebastian Fiumara (artist) entitled "The Cursing of Gotham City!". This is a nice prelude to the 5-issue arc in issues #983-987. Batman fights an old nemesis, Deacon Blackfire, for the life of a young boy. The only way Batman can defeat Blackfire is to gather allies from the ranks of Blackfire's acolytes. In doing so, Batman once again realizes that he is stronger with help than by himself. "On the Outside" (issues #983-987) by Bryan Hill (writer), Miguel Mendonca and Diana Egea (artists, issues #983, 984, and 987), and Philippe Briones (artist, issues #985-986) continues the examination of Batman's relationships with his Bat-family, in turmoil after the events of the previous arc. A new villain, Karma, challenges Batman to go back to being a solo hero, arguing that Batman's "children" weaken him. But Batman recruits a new team headed by Black Lightning to help him combat Karma. This is a "backdoor pilot" for the Batman and the Outsiders book, and it nicely introduces us to this new team dynamic. Karma is a very powerful antagonist and it takes all of Batman's wiles to defend against him. The artwork is solid, if not terribly exciting (and occasionally a bit on the murky side).

  19. 5 out of 5

    Juan

    First I would like to clarify that this volume was not written by Tynion. This is the first arc post-Tynion's run and I feel this was a good segway for the new writing team. The first issue is a one shot story that wasnt all that bad. The issues to follow finds Batman enlisting the help of Black Lightning, our latest flavor of the month. I do not mean to bash the character at all as I feel he was well written and a pretty decent selection to be a team leader second only to Batman. I w First I would like to clarify that this volume was not written by Tynion. This is the first arc post-Tynion's run and I feel this was a good segway for the new writing team. The first issue is a one shot story that wasnt all that bad. The issues to follow finds Batman enlisting the help of Black Lightning, our latest flavor of the month. I do not mean to bash the character at all as I feel he was well written and a pretty decent selection to be a team leader second only to Batman. I would say one of the biggest problems I have with this is Batgirl sort of being demoted to the role of a "kid", grouped with Duke Thomas and Cassandra Cain. I can see the argument for those two but I've been used to seeing Batgirl play as big a role as Nightwing and the like. The arc's main bad guy is named Karma. Really freaky origin story and even more freaky behind the mask. This guy would have been great as part of the Victim Syndicate but he is really good all on his own. Part of his back story also sets up an even larger threat. The art is good but, as much as I love Cassandra Cain, the new art team just doesnt make me love her as much as I did during Tynion's run. Seems like a silly argument but comics is all about the art, no? Anyways, I look forward to this new run.

  20. 5 out of 5

    Adam Fisher

    New villain Karma is introduced here in an explosive scene that puts Signal out of commission for a little bit. Coming from the angle that the other members of the Bat-Family are making Batman soft, Bats pushes his new team (Orphan, Signal, and Batgirl/Oracle) under the leadership of Black Lightning, to keep them away from harm. Combing his memory, Bruce indeed discovers that he has created this villain, having left him to experience intense fear after stopping him from gun running in a warzone. New villain Karma is introduced here in an explosive scene that puts Signal out of commission for a little bit. Coming from the angle that the other members of the Bat-Family are making Batman soft, Bats pushes his new team (Orphan, Signal, and Batgirl/Oracle) under the leadership of Black Lightning, to keep them away from harm. Combing his memory, Bruce indeed discovers that he has created this villain, having left him to experience intense fear after stopping him from gun running in a warzone. As Batman and the new team (against his wishes) fight against Karma, he deducts that Karma is using technology to create telepathy, which allows him a huge advantage in fights. Black Lightning (showing his worth for about the tenth time in the Volume) suggests that Batman flood his mind with fear and pain to overwhelm Karma as he scans Bats. This proves to be what stops Karma. Batman dibs the new team "The Outsiders". A quick Volume, but also a new villain who has both motivation and depth, Detective Comics is still great. I hope the remaining 13 issues till the landmark issue #1000 are just as great, and not filler. We'll see... Recommend.

  21. 5 out of 5

    Jess

    A new villain shows up in Gotham who seems to know every member of the Batman family's weakness and starts trying to take them out, starting with the weakest link, Signal. But he even thinks he know's Batman's weakness- that he cares about his sidekicks. Meanwhile, Batman trying to rebuild the Batman Family. He decides they need a new leader/mentor. One where he's not repeating the mistakes of the past. Someone outside the 'family'. So he turns to Black Lightning. And of course there is frictio A new villain shows up in Gotham who seems to know every member of the Batman family's weakness and starts trying to take them out, starting with the weakest link, Signal. But he even thinks he know's Batman's weakness- that he cares about his sidekicks. Meanwhile, Batman trying to rebuild the Batman Family. He decides they need a new leader/mentor. One where he's not repeating the mistakes of the past. Someone outside the 'family'. So he turns to Black Lightning. And of course there is friction between Black Lightning being there for a lot the established Bat-Family memembers. Meanwhile, the discover the new villain has telepathic abilities. And I'm not going to give too many stories. What I'd say is the only weakness of this story is that DC seems to like the idea it's setting up- the return to Batman and the Outsiders. (What with Katana joining the team later and the introduction of the Markovians.) But at the same time it doesn't want the book to be the one that goes that direction. You can tell because Hill is of the book with the second story in this book... which is a just plain awful Deacon Blackfire story.

  22. 5 out of 5

    Lindsey

    This volume was fine. Just fine. It didn’t really feel like a continuation of the last volume. The team has been gutted. I’m really confused by Duke. He’s not consistently around enough for me to get a read on him. He just kind of appears for a few issues here, a few issues there. I don’t like it. But, DC, frankly I’m sick of reading the same plot. Give these characters some growth. Give them room to develop depth. But we’ve seen this plot before. As recently as volume 3 of the main Batman serie This volume was fine. Just fine. It didn’t really feel like a continuation of the last volume. The team has been gutted. I’m really confused by Duke. He’s not consistently around enough for me to get a read on him. He just kind of appears for a few issues here, a few issues there. I don’t like it. But, DC, frankly I’m sick of reading the same plot. Give these characters some growth. Give them room to develop depth. But we’ve seen this plot before. As recently as volume 3 of the main Batman series. But I couldn’t get over how much this reminded me of Death of the Family from the New 52 run. The main thing that needs to die: Batman: I work alone. Batman’s 30 kids: We do not believe you. There has never been a man who works alone less. Can we let Batman have that revelation and move on?

  23. 5 out of 5

    Dakota Morgan

    We've got a new villain, Karma, who's got a fancy helmet that lets him read minds. We've got Batman mysteriously deciding he shouldn't lead the Bat-team and instead turning things over to Black Lightning. We've got a bunch of fights with solid action artwork. Despite all the neat elements, On the Outside feels pretty lifeless and unnecessary. Black Lightning's presence is never fully explained, besides the fact that cameos are fun. Batman is back leading the team before the end. Karma's backstory doesn We've got a new villain, Karma, who's got a fancy helmet that lets him read minds. We've got Batman mysteriously deciding he shouldn't lead the Bat-team and instead turning things over to Black Lightning. We've got a bunch of fights with solid action artwork. Despite all the neat elements, On the Outside feels pretty lifeless and unnecessary. Black Lightning's presence is never fully explained, besides the fact that cameos are fun. Batman is back leading the team before the end. Karma's backstory doesn't quite explain why he's so eager to kill. He's supposed to be a sympathetic villain, but Bryan Hill completely fails to paint him as such. The numerous fight scenes are fun, though repetitive. The tacked-on issue at the end of On the Outside is extremely skippable.

  24. 5 out of 5

    Ma'Belle

    Yikes. I checked this out because it's listed as a volume in the same era of this series, but the creative team changed out between volumes 7 and 8, and Bryan Hill changes the focus and character voices so much for the worse, I had to drop it a few issues in. I'd like to know and care about Static Shock more, and Black Lightning as well, but this is far from being a compelling introduction to those characters on the page (I've previously only seen them in the animated and live action Yikes. I checked this out because it's listed as a volume in the same era of this series, but the creative team changed out between volumes 7 and 8, and Bryan Hill changes the focus and character voices so much for the worse, I had to drop it a few issues in. I'd like to know and care about Static Shock more, and Black Lightning as well, but this is far from being a compelling introduction to those characters on the page (I've previously only seen them in the animated and live action DC universe).

  25. 4 out of 5

    Andrew

    I'm not sure how I feel about Bryan Hill's take on Batman and the Outsiders. This story was pretty good, and the art was pretty good. It's a reasonably good setup for a new series, I guess. I'm not sure what's going on with the Outsiders book that was supposed to spin off from this run though. I know that a few issues were solicited then canceled, but I don't think they've been re-solicited yet. Anyway, taking this on its own, it's a not a bad arc, though it's not as good as most of Tynion's run I'm not sure how I feel about Bryan Hill's take on Batman and the Outsiders. This story was pretty good, and the art was pretty good. It's a reasonably good setup for a new series, I guess. I'm not sure what's going on with the Outsiders book that was supposed to spin off from this run though. I know that a few issues were solicited then canceled, but I don't think they've been re-solicited yet. Anyway, taking this on its own, it's a not a bad arc, though it's not as good as most of Tynion's run on this title.

  26. 5 out of 5

    Adan

    A new team is formed after the destruction of the Batman’s last team, and Black Lightning leads it. With Katana joining and a villain from Markovia showing up, it doesn’t take a genius to see where this is going. Jefferson Pierce is a good counterpoint to the Batman and his ways, and with Cassandra and Duke under his wing, I look forward to seeing this team operate. The last issue in the collection was a spooky story featuring Deacon Blackfire. Nothing much happened, but I liked Sebas A new team is formed after the destruction of the Batman’s last team, and Black Lightning leads it. With Katana joining and a villain from Markovia showing up, it doesn’t take a genius to see where this is going. Jefferson Pierce is a good counterpoint to the Batman and his ways, and with Cassandra and Duke under his wing, I look forward to seeing this team operate. The last issue in the collection was a spooky story featuring Deacon Blackfire. Nothing much happened, but I liked Sebastian Fiumara’s art a lot. It set the mood and atmosphere perfectly.

  27. 4 out of 5

    Jennifer

    This was fine. I mean, it's hard to read a Detective Comics collection that I dislike, and it was nice to read about Black Lightning a little bit. This collection made me realize that I've been taking James Tynion's writing finesse for granted. The script in this installment felt clunky. Plus, the bad kids, intentionally or unintentionally were portrayed as bratty teenagers, which along with Bruce's heavy-fisted (pun intended) angst, ended up getting on my nerves. The art was also not up to snuf This was fine. I mean, it's hard to read a Detective Comics collection that I dislike, and it was nice to read about Black Lightning a little bit. This collection made me realize that I've been taking James Tynion's writing finesse for granted. The script in this installment felt clunky. Plus, the bad kids, intentionally or unintentionally were portrayed as bratty teenagers, which along with Bruce's heavy-fisted (pun intended) angst, ended up getting on my nerves. The art was also not up to snuff in comparison to the previous arcs.

  28. 4 out of 5

    Matt

    Collects Detective Comics issues #982-987 This collection features the introduction of a new version of The Outsiders. I can't tell if The Outsiders have worked together before in this version of continuity, but it appears that they have not. The story was pretty good, but not as great as some of the past issues in this series. The very last issue in this collection, not connected to The Outsiders, was not good at all (in my opinion).

  29. 5 out of 5

    Stephen Hamilton

    Reasonably enjoyable. The sort of standalone tale that could have been improved by a smaller supporting cast, but the need to establish a new team (the Outsiders) required the presence of a couple of characters who advanced the plot (Black Lightning, Orphan), a couple who didn’t (Signal, Batgirl) and a couple of unnecessary cameos (Martian Manhunter, Katana). A more stream-lined plot would have made this better.

  30. 4 out of 5

    Jenny Clark

    This felt a bit weaker than previous volumes, though it is still ok. Art is solid, and Orphan really gets a chance to shine here as well. In the long run, things may work out better with fewer characters to follow. As usual, I'm not really into Batman himself, he just seams... I don't really know, just not Batman-ish enough??

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